6/19/2005

Terrell Schmerrell

During finals, I planned on writing a letter to the school complaining about ole Buford. Recently, several people have asked about that letter, so here it is. I encourage all who agree with it to email it to Rensberger (jeffrens –at- stcl.edu). Feel free to edit and change it to suit your individual taste and preferences. If you are so inclined, point others to this post so that they too can complain about Buford “the shart” Terrell. With any luck and a large response, the school might help us out like his students from last fall (they could choose between their grade and pass/fail).


Dear Dean Rensberger:

I am writing this email to express my concern regarding Professor Terrell's Property I exam for Section B. My concerns are best grouped into three categories: Terrell's giving exam questions to Langdell students, the form of the exam and the content of the exam.

After taking the exam, I learned Professor Terrell had included several questions previously given to his Langdell class. Estimates of how many such questions were included range from six to twelve of a sixty-question exam. Whatever the number, my understanding is that professors are strictly forbidden from giving exam questions to Langdell classes; this understanding is based on specific comments made by Dean Alfini at a lunch meeting with LRW II sections. If there is in fact a policy or rule against such giving of questions, then a significant percentage (10%-20%) of Professor Terrell's exam consisted of illegitimate questions.

My next major point of contention with the exam is Professor Terrell's choice to make the exam "open computer." Students were allowed to access anything on their computer, unencumbered by ExamSoft; the only limitation was that students could not access the internet. I was of the understanding that the school's exam policy only allowed the use of a computer in conjunction with ExamSoft. The Registrar’s on-line guideline regarding computer use during finals, signed by Dean Pilkington and located at http://www.stcl.edu/registrar/registrar1/examsoft.htm, reads as follows: “The only laptops allowed in examination rooms are those being used for taking final exams with the ExamSoft software.” Such a flagrant violation of exam procedures undermines the strength of the rules and made it impossible for a student to truthfully sign the pledge sheet.

My final concern deals with the actual content of Professor Terrell's exam. Several answers directly contradicted his in-class lecturing. In class, we would often engage in detailed hypotheticals on interesting and developing areas of the law. I feel that such discussions were the high-point of Professor Terrell's class. At the close of these discussions, he would tell us that the answer to the question discussed was either state-specific or still developing. On his exam, he questioned us on several of these hypothetical situations, asking us what was either the "best" or "most likely" outcome. This would not be a problem on an essay test, but it is very difficult to answer such a question on a multiple choice test. In class, he would stress that something was still “in-the-air” and undecided by the courts, yet he would expect us to predict the outcome on his multiple choice exam. There were at least six such questions that, based on his class lectures, are impossible to answer with any degree of certainty.

In addition to his questions contradicting his own lectures, Professor Terrell also asked questions contradicting the correct and actual law of property. Over the course of the semester, Professor Terrell taught several, perhaps a half-dozen, rules that are directly contradicted by writings on the subject of Property. These aren't mere disagreements over controversial points of law; Professor Terrell often flew in the face of unanimous authority. When asked about this in class, he stated that the other professors were simply wrong in their treatises and horn-books. Professor Terrell would have us believe that every single book on property, including the case book he assigned, is incorrect, and only he knows the true rule. He then proceeded to place at least four of these issues on the exam; he forced us choose between the answer he felt is correct and the actual correct answer.

I am not sure what, if any, remedial action the school should take. I do, however, urge the school to take some action. The exam procedures are intended to be rules that guide the students and the faculty so as to ensure a fair and efficient awarding of grades. Violating those rules seriously undermines their purposes and effectiveness, as it deprives students of protections afforded by the rule and encourages all, students and faculty alike, to take liberties with these and other rules and policies. Furthermore, remedial action by the school would not be unprecedented after the fall semester incident with Professor Terrell. My understanding is students were ultimately given the choice to receive either a grade or pass/fail credit. I feel the relief given to those students is fair and should be considered for the students of Professor Terrell's Spring 2005 Section B students.

22 Comments:

At 9:13 AM, June 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sam, I don't think that Terrell gave any questions to the Langdell teacher... the answers she had were from questions he did in class when she had him...

 
At 11:14 AM, June 20, 2005, Blogger Sam said...

I got the Langdell info from a student who already met with the Dean on the issue, so I'm pretty sure its good.

Thank you very much what's his face. You're a good guy; almost worth remembering.

 
At 12:40 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

wait, sam - aren't you the one that emailed rensberger & alfini BEFORE THE EXAM to ensure that we could still use our computers WITHOUT exam soft? and now you're complaining?

and btw, almost all of the langdell questions were taken from the midterm terrell gave the whole class, along with the answers. so that was hardly an unfair advantage. and stevenson did this too - did you also whine about that last semester?

finally, the langdell scholar used old terrell exams/midterms for a practice test & then we went over the answers. terrell recycles his old answers because he's obviously a bit lazy. i think lots of profs probably do that & it's probably not all that unfair.

p.s. life's not fair. get over it.
;-)

 
At 1:03 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger Sam said...

No, I emailed the dean to stop Terrell from using the computers. I didn't complain last semester because I didn't know about the rule.

If life isn't fair, why are you trying to help people in the valley?

 
At 1:37 PM, June 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen, Heather! Sam, get over yourself. If you make a B, you will survive. If you had come to Langdell on Saturday, you could have had the old questions too. Don't be such a whiny baby!

 
At 1:53 PM, June 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doug, (oops--I mean "What's jis face"), if you get the same information we do from Langdell, then there is nothing to complain about, right?

 
At 2:10 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

sam, i'm doing a public interest internship BECAUSE life is unfair and i don't believe that legal representation should be reserved only for those with vast amounts of money and resources. life is unfair, but there's no reason why i can't do my part to make it a little more just, no?

and i have no sympathy for whiney white males with A+ gpa's and whatever mr. mena's gpa might be. sorry. :-p

 
At 2:25 PM, June 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are forgiven, WHF. I agree with you 100% about Terrell's less than stellar performance, but I don't think that is justification to hand out pass/fail grades because his test was exactly what was promised. I think it would be a different story if he had promised MC and we walked into an essay test. Sam is jumping the gun a bit on demanding pass/fail. All in all, Terrell is an old fart who should spend the remainder of his days ogling crack whores rather than teaching the law.

 
At 2:26 PM, June 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one was excluded from coming to langdell, so if you didn't want to come to school on Saturday I don't feel bad for you. I didn't want to go either, but I did. And it wasn't like people weren't making copies of stuff and passing them out. Langdell isn't exactly a magic class. Those questions were posted on his website as well, anyone could have gotten a copy. There were no "special" langdell questions, if that is what you are suggesting.

As for the real law v. Terrell law- we all knew going into that exam that we had learned a skewed version of Property. I agree that someone needs to explain to him that he's not teaching it correctly, but we knew what we were supposed to know for that particular exam. Law school isn't like the real world... you have to study for the professor, not the subject, unfortunatly. I'm not defending that practice, but it's a fact of life for us for the next 2 years if you are looking out for grades...

The hypothetical situations? On almost all of them, he gave an indication in class as to what he thought would be the result. If you were reading for another class, then you probably didn't catch it.

I'm not defending the class or the professor, but (as much as it sucks) that test was an accurate representation of the class and the professor. There were NO surprises on that test. Sometimes you just have to take what you are given. I'm not sure why you think we should be given the option of pass/fail. Last fall, his class got that option because they were told that the exam would be essay and it ended up being MC which was a huge discrepancy... we were told MC and we got MC. Are you just ticked because we weren't taught property? Because I could argue that we weren't taught some subjects last semester. That's where BarBri comes in ;)

 
At 2:38 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

for the record, i second the notion that terrell is a sucky teacher. and a sucky teacher who's too lazy to turn in his grades, at that.

can i make up my mind on where i stand on the pass/fail issue after i see my grade?

 
At 3:07 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

oh, i also wanted to add that i'm down here in the valley helping people because my heart is not made of smelly old coal and i still have a soul. so there!

 
At 7:30 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger Sam said...

Now that I’m home from work, I can give a proper response. I’m offering a disclaimer: given the quazi-ad hominem nature of the above posts, I’m not going to be my usual polite and charming self. If I upset anyone, that was not my intention, merely a necessary consequence.

“p.s. life's not fair. get over it.”

My point about this vis-à-vis your internship was that, while life isn’t fair, that doesn’t mean we have to accept it. If the solution to problems were “get over it,” you wouldn’t help people. By helping others, you show that the proper resolution of problems is not a fatalistic “get over it,” but an attempt to solve those problems.


“Amen, Heather! Sam, get over yourself. If you make a B, you will survive. If you had come to Langdell on Saturday, you could have had the old questions too. Don't be such a whiny baby!”

It is very true that I had ample opportunity to attend Langdell, but I chose to stay home. What your post misses is what Langdell I chose not to attend. According to the school and Dean Alfini, Langdell is there to help student understand and comprehend the information. Langdell is supposed to be a form of intellectual masturbation with the scholar reviewing and rehashing the material from class. In so doing, the scholar could attempt hypotheticals to understand the info (reviews and practice problems) or summarize the information (outlines). I chose to skip Langdell because I can understand, review and outline information based on class and reading. When I chose not to attend Langdell, these were all that were to be offered: only that which I could get on my own. What I did not choose to skip was a class that offered free exam answers. I cannot come up with exam answers before the test, and thus I likely would have gone. In sum, I didn’t decide not to attend a Langdell that gave exam answers. I chose not to attend that Langdell that was expressly forbidden from so doing. Given that I made the mistake of trusting the dean and the rules, I feel that I have a legitimate complaint.


“and i have no sympathy for whiney white males with A+ gpa's”

First, as much as it pains me to admit, an A+ GPA is at least a 3.15 and I’m a bit shy of that. But my point is deeper than that. Exam rules and procedures are in place to protect students from the caprice of the professors; most came into place after the most recent student-professor affairs. Why is it that I am ineligible to be protected just like any other student? Getting good grades doesn’t change how much I deserve the benefit of the rules.


“ I just thought Terrell was a horrible teacher and he basically wasted the money that was supposed to go my learning of Property”

This brings up a good point. I’m pretty sure that somewhere in our contract with South Texas College of Law, they have a duty to make reasonable efforts to abide by the rules they promulgate. Flagrant abuse of those rules would seem to breach that term. On an non-exam related note, Terrell wasted my money too, but more importantly, he hurt my BAR score. I’m going to have to learn everything from Property I in a bar review course because (1) he’s smarter than the Texas courts and gives better, though inaccurate, rules and (2) he thought it would be educationally worthwhile to talk about Tom Delay, Norman the Conqueror, gay marriage, livery of seisen, the death penalty and selling babies.


“ I don't think that is justification to hand out pass/fail grades because his test was exactly what was promised. I think it would be a different story if he had promised MC and we walked into an essay test.”

I strongly disagree that his exam was “exactly as promised.” First of all, he told us that estates in land would comprise 33% of the exam. He managed 4 estates in land questions; that’s right, 6.67%. In addition to that slight deviation from “as promised.” He also made it clear in class that it would be helpful to know and understand the subject of property. His test, however, was rife with the aforementioned questions concerning our opinions and in no way connected to the information learned in class (more on this point in the next response).


“ I agree that someone needs to explain to him that he's not teaching it correctly, but we knew what we were supposed to know for that particular exam.”

The class at the review session brought up the issue of him teaching the subject incorrectly, but he is so far above such mental lightweights as STCL students, the Texas Supreme Court and the entire faculty at Harvard that he didn’t believe us. I feel that the appropriate next step in showing him his faults is by bringing them up to his boss. Since this was a letter to his boss complaining about Terrell, I felt it to be the proper forum for the complaint.


“The hypothetical situations? On almost all of them, he gave an indication in class as to what he thought would be the result. If you were reading for another class, then you probably didn't catch it.”

For the record, please enlighten me with your attention to Terrell’s lectures what he indicated the result of the divorcing law student would be. How about the fallen satellite? The role of the family unit in property law as it applies to civil forfeiture? To the first, he said it depends on the jurisdiction. He gave not a single hint as to how he thought it would come out in a court of law, since he explicitly told us it would depend on the court. For the satellite (or rocket part, I forgot), he said it was a close issue that would require an essay. From this close issue requiring pages of in-depth analysis, we were supposed to come up with an answer to a multiple choice question. No explanation, no caveats, no discussion of differing theories and rules of varying jurisdictions. For the final situation, he didn’t discuss it at all in class.


“ There were NO surprises on that test. Sometimes you just have to take what you are given. I'm not sure why you think we should be given the option of pass/fail. Last fall, his class got that option because they were told that the exam would be essay and it ended up being MC which was a huge discrepancy... we were told MC and we got MC.”

I’m sorry to dispute you, but there is more to a test than whether it is essay or multiple choice. Had he given us a copy of Stevenson Crim Law final, it would have certainly been multiple choice. It’s not enough, however, that something be the same format as promised. The test must also conform to the subject matter, and I would scarcely say that Terrell’s exam related to Property more so than a criminal law test. Furthermore, my prayer for relief isn’t based on the same claim as last semester; their grievance was regarding the format. Mine is based on the established examination procedures.


“ can i make up my mind on where i stand on the pass/fail issue after i see my grade?”

That’s the choice given to Terrell’s victims last semester. Send the email to Rensberger and you too might get that option.


“oh, i also wanted to add that i'm down here in the valley helping people because my heart is not made of smelly old coal and i still have a soul. so there!”

Unlike most liberals, I haven’t been to a human sacrifice, so I’m not sure what a human heart smells like. I will venture a guess that mine isn’t so much a coal as a coppery smell. I don’t have a soul. I gave it to Jesus (if only I were a protestant, that joke would work).

(note: this part is very tongue in cheek; I think its great that you’re helping the poor and helpless. I would like to do the same, but, to be honest, I’m greedy. I sue people.) I’m going to give a hypothetical showing your supposed concern for helping people:

Imagine a person, scared and alone. His fate is to be decided by a perverted old man who looks down on the world and those under his control with disdain. This man then lies to his underlings, breaks his promise and shows a complete disregard for those under his power. He doesn’t care about the scared masses and he makes sure they know it. The huddled masses have no way to stop or stand up to the blood-thirsty tyrant, but are left to fend for themselves. One of the tortured souls gets up and attempts to help himself and his fellow prisoners. If successful, he can help not only himself, but all who suffer under the yoke of the madman. Do you support him as he struggles to save others, or do you mock him? Do you help him in his efforts to help all, or do you sit back, content with your own efforts at helping some of the people? Do you take up arms and emails to save your fellow refugees, or do you attempt to thwart his efforts by convincing others from joining him? Your choices may not matter to you, but they have far reaching effects on the helpless victims of this tragedy. I only ask that you do the right thing.

 
At 8:11 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger Sam said...

You must ask yourself whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune;
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?--To die,--to sleep--
No more; and by a sleep, to say, we end
The heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to; 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die----to sleep----
To sleep? perchance, to dream. Ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of Death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect,
That makes Calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pang of despis'd love, the law's delay,
The sharting professor’s malice,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes;
When he himself might his Quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardles bear,
To groan and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
That undiscover'd country, from whose bourne
No traveller returns, puzzles the will;
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought;
And enterprises of great pith and moment,
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action-----Soft you, now!

Just to show how big a nerd I am, this quote came from my bathroom reading.

 
At 10:25 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger particleman said...

1. i was in class the whole semester, took decent notes, didn't read for other subjects while in class, and still had no freaking clue as to the outcome of most of those hypos. darcy, if you did, you and terrell must have a creepy telekinetic bond. ;) i agree with sam on this point.

2. sam, you know and i know that you have a nice little arrangement with a certain person (or two) whom you help and, in return, you get copies of all the langdell stuff. everything. you have no ground to stand on here. besides, i think it's safe to say that most everyone has a friend who goes to langdell and gives them copies of stuff.

3. that laptops were allowed without examsoft is indeed a violation of the rules. nonetheless, i do not think it was a worthwhile argument for you to have made to the dean. we ALL had laptops and we ALL had the chance to skim as many outlines as we desired during the test. even without laptops, it was open book and open note, so you could have brought hard copies of as many outlines and other sources as you wanted. in short, no one was disadvantaged. i don't think you helped your case by arguing this point.

4. as for the argument that he didn't teach us property law as it's taught all over the country, i shrug my shoulders. yeah, it means we have to learn property law all over again for the bar. but in the grand scheme of things, by the time we graduate, i think we'll all have gotten the process of learning law down pretty well. we're all analytical people who compartmentalize things. so here's what you do. compartmentalize what terrell taught you and throw it away. three years from now, chances are the remnants of what's left will probably only help you learn it more quickly.

i also you think you jumped the gun by asking the dean for the same deal the last class got. you should have sat back and waited for him to make an offer, and then suggested "well, how about we do what the last class got..." kind of thing and seen if he'd play ball. the letter, as it stands, sounds cocky and demanding. it was obviously well thought-out and from the heart, but it was rash. i think you might have done better by asking for some feedback first. regardless, i'm sure you'll get a response, probably quickly.

thus spake particleman.

 
At 11:11 PM, June 20, 2005, Blogger Sam said...

2. I had several Langdell contacts, all of whom independently promised to keep me abreast of Langdell handouts pertaining to exam questions. Needless to say, it didn’t work out and I’m still baffled as to why.

3. I’ll disagree that the laptops didn’t advantage anyone. Part of the ban on open laptops is to prevent people from downloading twelve outlines and cntrl-F’ing their way to a good grade. By allowing such examsmanship, the curve was considerably tightened and those who knew the material punished. In an open-book test, by contrast, looking up an answer takes considerable time, and thus is a trade off. There is no such trade-off with the laptops; there was no point in any of us even considering studying for that exam.

5. For the requesting the relief given by the others, I took a risk that this would be the only time I caught Rensberger’s attention, so I needed to get it all out when I had the chance. I somewhat agree with you, however, but I’m sticking to my guns.

 
At 9:02 AM, June 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I know is my notes have hypos with likely outcomes. Sorry yours didn't.

 
At 9:21 AM, June 21, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

thanks, sam. those comments were hilarious. dramatic much? ;-) and seriously, you know i don't think your heart is made of smelly old coal - that was just that one guy at the uber-liberal induction ceremony. i'm having a hard time picturing terrell as a blood thirsty tyrant, though. when you take into consideration rachel's tales of seeing his belly peeking out of his too-tight shirt, the alleged shart and the lap dance image, it just doesn't work.

and while i've enjoyed giving you shit about your letter, i support the idea. go davey! you get your goliath.

 
At 11:41 PM, June 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sammy, I just love the one about whinney white boys with an A++GPA

I guess that they GAVE that to you because you were a smart white boy.

 
At 12:11 AM, June 22, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sam, your 8:11 comment was awsom

 
At 12:23 AM, June 22, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sammy, your 8:11 comment was awesom

Do these people not realize that they will FAIL their professional examinations without proper perparation? They should be enraged about wasting their $$ for an education on a Prof who wont help them?

 
At 11:00 AM, June 22, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHF- No, I don't work with that person. Try Jordan though, that's a good idea.

 
At 11:21 AM, June 22, 2005, Blogger red.hot.mamma! said...

at the risk of sounding overly defensive, i'd like to address mr. (or ms.) anonymous.

yes, anonymous, "these people" do realize that not properly preparing for the bar exam could result in a failing score. however, i think most of us are aware of how terrell's interpretations differ from the actual law and therefore understand what the bar answer would be. that doesn't mean i agree with terrell's style of teaching or his decision to teach us incorrect law. i personally don't think he should be teaching. but i don't believe that the damage is permanent, as most people will be reviewing/relearning property in their bar bri courses anyway. and if they decide not to take a bar prep course or not otherwise review/prepare, that will be far more detrimental than anything terrell did or did not do.

and i'd like to clear up the white male comment i made earlier, which was intended to be somewhat facetious (and possibly a little antagonistic, i admit). i know sam works hard for his grades, i respect his intellect and genuinely like him. in general, i support people speaking up for themselves and for others, even if i may not entirely agree with them. i did not mean to imply that sam (or whathisface) was handed his gpa because of his race or gender.

i also believe sam got that i was just trying to push some buttons, just as he sometimes tries to push mine. judging by his reply, i'm pretty sure he did.

 

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